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Plague · Jul 16, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

If they were being made and deleted so much... you have to remember that they have to pay a small storage fee to get access. Farming 50g every minute won't do much good. I doubt it's so simple.

kyro27 · Jul 18, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

so i just did this whole thing and zinger is wrong because when i finished the thing that they all do, i had 225 gold to insert into my storage, so this was definitely not fixed. zinger, please go back to answering questions in game rather than posting on these forums acting like you are the smartest person here and that you're always right

Thunder79 · Jul 18, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Plague

If they were being made and deleted so much... you have to remember that they have to pay a small storage fee to get access. Farming 50g every minute won't do much good. I doubt it's so simple.

they could also just position a collector...1 person from their group of botters to collect the money. storage fee bypassed...

super strokey · Jul 18, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

I was in cantha the other day and saw a tonne of bots, and i do mean a tonne, at altruum ruins all running into arborstone. THere is litterly dozens of them. Its insane. All monk mesmers. What the hell are they farming there?

Stoneys Rock · Jul 18, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by super strokey

I was in cantha the other day and saw a tonne of bots, and i do mean a tonne, at altruum ruins all running into arborstone. THere is litterly dozens of them. Its insane. All monk mesmers. What the hell are they farming there?

the wardens and if they are /n most likely the necro and elementalist boss too.

GodofAcid · Jul 18, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Lucien Beaumont

Why is there no in game moderation of this sort of thing? I really doubt there would be as much of a bot problem if an Anet employee would pop their head into some of the trouble zones every now and then and observe bot behavior first hand. They could then take 5 minutes or so to hand out a round of bans right then and there, and the rest of us could go on happy knowing that they are doing something about it. I guess they are taking the "hands off" approach to enforcing their game rules.

This is a question that I've asked so many times that I can't even bring myself to type it anymore. In this game and others like it when there is a known cheating problem, 90% of the time the cheaters are all going to the exact same place, using the exact same tactics, doing the exact same thing. Common sense says a GM could sit there and pick them off very easily. In this case, there are some 50-100 bots in Altrumm at any given time just waiting to be banned. Hell, it would probably take all of 10 minutes for someone to clear them all out with a banstick. It's not like they're doing anything to hide what's going on - they're all programmed to walk the same paths! They're all the same character types! Common sense folks, common freakin sense.

Sorry, but the only conclusion that I can draw is that there's a reason they're not being banned, probably a financial reason that will obviously never be revealed. What else can one think when the solution is so simple? Prove me wrong, Anet. Have a GM take 10 minutes of their time once or twice per day to clear out known botting towns.

Molock · Jul 18, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by GodofAcid

This is a question that I've asked so many times that I can't even bring myself to type it anymore. In this game and others like it when there is a known cheating problem, 90% of the time the cheaters are all going to the exact same place, using the exact same tactics, doing the exact same thing. Common sense says a GM could sit there and pick them off very easily. In this case, there are some 50-100 bots in Altrumm at any given time just waiting to be banned. Hell, it would probably take all of 10 minutes for someone to clear them all out with a banstick. It's not like they're doing anything to hide what's going on - they're all programmed to walk the same paths! They're all the same character types! Common sense folks, common freakin sense.

Sorry, but the only conclusion that I can draw is that there's a reason they're not being banned, probably a financial reason that will obviously never be revealed. What else can one think when the solution is so simple? Prove me wrong, Anet. Have a GM take 10 minutes of their time once or twice per day to clear out known botting towns.

They do ban bot users everyday... the thing is most of the people using bots have A LOT of stolen accounts and when one gets banned they load up another. You should also know that they anet are careful when they ban an account... they can't just ramdomly ban someone because they are a Mo\Me running towards a signpost... sadly.

A ban hammer would be awesome.. but they simply want to make sure they aren't banning honest players............

Gaile Gray · Jul 18, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

As Molock said, we really are acting on the bots. Here's a post I just made on the same subject, different district.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 18, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

If people didn't buy gold there would be no bots. I know many might disagree with what I am about to suggest, maybe ANET should sell gold for less than the gold sellers are offering. They could do it through their store and everyone would have the option to legally purchase. You would then have a legal way to obtain gold and it would be your choice to do so or not. Please let us know why or why not this would or wouldn't work.

Gaile Gray · Jul 18, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by savagehenry

Indeed. Instead of banning 300 bots per day, ban 300 gold purchasers per day. When the demand goes away, the bots will as well.

This is an aspect of this nefarious trade that we're definitely looking at. More info to follow, and thanks.

BabyJ · Jul 19, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Another solution to those "bots" in the village would to make a limit on how many times a day you can make and delete a character. That would solve alot of that problem.

Kool Pajamas · Jul 19, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Another thing they could do is fix the game so people won't feel the need to buy gold. Like earning money(or things just as good) by doing normal things like quests and missions instead of farming like a mad man.

WildmouseX · Jul 19, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

As Molock said, we really are acting on the bots. Here's a post I just made on the same subject, different district.

different district? you're spending too much time in game lol.

Why? · Jul 20, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

An easier way would be to kill the 55 builds outright.

Change it from:

For 5...19 seconds, target ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell.

to:

For 5...19 seconds, target other ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell.

And that should throw a wrench in the bots for a little while at least.

Enix · Jul 20, 2007, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Gaile -
Why not just change the ways the bot's primary farming skills work or give exploited monsters skills that stop it?

Make Prot Spirit say "Target Ally cannot loose more than (50...35) health from a single attack or spell for (5...19) seconds." Buff for players, nurf for bots. That would STOP all 55 farming and the effect issue would be minimal.

People will wine for a while. Then they will suck it up and learn to trap UW.

Coridan · Jul 20, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

ok its ok to trap farm in UW but not 55 farm as a monk? how do u figure? to me its the same thing....farming=farming wether it be on a ranger/elementalis/ritualist/warrior/ whatever you want your character to be...why should u totally screw over players that use a 55 monk to farm ...if u do that then you need to nerf all of the farming builds....take a look in the farming section and you will see that its not only 55hp builds.

cyberjanet · Jul 20, 2007, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Another thing they could do is fix the game so people won't feel the need to buy gold. Like earning money(or things just as good) by doing normal things like quests and missions instead of farming like a mad man.

I made 20k on the walk down from Yak's bend to Lion's Arch, doing whatever missions and quests were required, and selling stuff to the merchants - even the gold items. This was before I bought Factions or Nightfall where you get cash quest rewards. So this system is in place.

Criminals in modern society can earn money by getting a job and doing it. They don't. They go around robbing people who earn an honest living. Same way as the bots are robbing honest players in a myriad of ways you never thought of.

People will always feel the need to have gold. Their means of getting it will always differ.

Master Sword Keeper · Jul 20, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

It's SIMPLE to desicate a 55/bot. NERF PROT SPIRIT!
NERF IT so bad that bots will cease to exist...make the 55 build extinct...
I know thats harsh..but we can use warriors and new professions to make our daily quota's. ANET it's time to destroy the threats once and for all. Kill off the -50hp cesta and nerf prot spirit. NUFF Said.

Destinyy · Jul 20, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

It's SIMPLE to desicate a 55/bot. NERF PROT SPIRIT!
NERF IT so bad that bots will cease to exist...make the 55 build extinct...
I know thats harsh..but we can use warriors and new professions to make our daily quota's. ANET it's time to destroy the threats once and for all. Kill off the -50hp cesta and nerf prot spirit. NUFF Said.

LOL!!!!

Funny how this thread has gone from a prblem with bots getting money by creating new chars and cashing in on the games first moments of gold, to yet another anti 55 thread.... HAHAHAHAHA

IF ANET has not nerfed the 55 yet, they not gonna, so go cry the river in one of the other 5 anti 55 threads... :P

As for this problem, it's interesting to see them doing this... My first thought was that they were leveling the necro's to do the Rhilon Spider farm (yes, bots there too now). To kill this one, all ANET should do is make that initial 225 gold come to you a littl further in...

Imaginos · Jul 20, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Another thing they could do is fix the game so people won't feel the need to buy gold. Like earning money(or things just as good) by doing normal things like quests and missions instead of farming like a mad man.

Bingo! Give the man a cigar.

This is what needs to be fixed.